Thread: DreamWeaver vs FrontPage

Neither. Both (but especially MS FP) lead to massive code bloat and improper HTML syntax. I use Notepad for coding. It's also a heck of a lot cheaper.

Originally Posted by HHI Golf Guy

Neither. Both (but especially MS FP) lead to massive code bloat and improper HTML syntax. I use Notepad for coding. It's also a heck of a lot cheaper.

It is cheaper LOL, and yes does create better code, but not everyone can write html from scratch (although they should know how).

I use FrontPage the majority of the time to save time, then edit the code.

Have you tried Nvu yet? It produces some pretty clean code IMHO.

~VegasMack

Originally Posted by VegasMack

Have you tried Nvu yet? It produces some pretty clean code IMHO.

I haven't tried it. I usually load my template pages and then run them through the W3C validation service. Once the entire site is done, I double check each page.

I stay away from the WYSIWYG stuff because they have not been great at handling CSS. Most of our designs are pure CSS with no tables (even the three column sites). I did make an exception with our last site and used tables to set some of the framework.

Originally Posted by HHI Golf Guy

I haven't tried it. I usually load my template pages and then run them through the W3C validation service. Once the entire site is done, I double check each page.

I stay away from the WYSIWYG stuff because they have not been great at handling CSS. Most of our designs are pure CSS with no tables (even the three column sites). I did make an exception with our last site and used tables to set some of the framework.

Nvu is worth looking into if you like clean code, and obviously you do. Some light editing in notepad will still be required for W3C validation, however the errors are much fewer than code generated in Dreaweaver or FrontPage.

BTW

Thanks for the compliment

Have you taken a look at Open Realty to manage listings?

I downloaded it because I was interested to see how their programming worked. It's an MySQL / PHP based application, and it looks decent. With a little understanding of PHP, it looks highly customizable.

Originally Posted by HHI Golf Guy

Thanks for the compliment

Have you taken a look at Open Realty to manage listings?

I downloaded it because I was interested to see how their programming worked. It's an MySQL / PHP based application, and it looks decent. With a little understanding of PHP, it looks highly customizable.

Thanks HHI Golf Guy. I will go take a look.

~VegasMack

If you are new to web design then a visual editor makes sense. Dreamwearer has an large edge over FrontPage because it supports web standards.

HHI Golf Guy suggested you look at open-realty. This is an excellent choice for the novice and expert alike. The community is friendly and many members go out of their way to help.

If you would like to see some open-realty sites look at: http://BroadwayKeys.com. This site is still in testing and is presently a demo site until the this version 2 of open-realty is out of beta.

Here are some open-realty version 1.1.5 templates. All templates are web standard css/xhtml:
http://aSiteAbove.com/realty

The site uses cookies to switch templates. The template switcher is at the bottom of the index page.

Originally Posted by HHI Golf Guy

Neither. Both (but especially MS FP) lead to massive code bloat and improper HTML syntax. I use Notepad for coding. It's also a heck of a lot cheaper.

I have seen it differently than you. I have used DW and FP, I personally see more coding errors in DW than I do FP. Maybe its just me. I believe DW has more functions than FP but over all FP is also easier to learn.

I "borrowed" a copy of Dreamweaver MX from a neighbor the other day. It looks impressive, and seems to have alot of nice features. There also seems to be a STEEP learning curve.

Once I have some time I'm going to check it out in detail. It looks great.