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08-28-2007, 12:36 PM #1
Interesting Article I Found:
Bill would end mortgage tax deduction for 'McMansions'
Homes 3,000 square feet and up would lose a popular deduction under Dingell's 'carbon tax' bill.
By Kenneth R. Harney, Washington Post Writers Group
August 26, 2007
WASHINGTON -- To add to mortgage meltdown miseries, the credit panic, plunging home sales and rising foreclosures, here's a new worry: a proposed cutoff of mortgage-interest tax deductions for all houses larger than 3,000 square feet.
One of Capitol Hill's most experienced and powerful legislators is drafting a "carbon tax" bill that would do precisely that. Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, expects to introduce comprehensive climate change reform legislation once Congress returns next month.
Besides imposing hefty new federal taxes on gasoline, the forthcoming bill will, in Dingell's words, seek to "remove the mortgage-interest deduction on McMansions -- homes over 3,000 square feet." Dingell said he recognized that proposals such as these would be controversial, but that he believed they were essential to reducing carbon emissions by 60% to 80% by the year 2050.
"In order to address the issue of climate change, we must address the issue of consumption," Dingell said in talking points prepared for town hall discussions of the legislation. "We do that by making consumption more expensive."
Houses, like autos, long have been known to contribute to greenhouse gas emissions through heating, cooling, electrical usage and building materials, plus the highways and roads needed to make far-flung subdivisions accessible to buyers.
Home builders insist that they have "gone green" in recent years, and that houses constructed within the past decade are the tightest, most energy-efficient in history.
Aides to Dingell said that because the legislative language on the McMansion and other tax proposals was still being drafted, neither the congressman nor they could elaborate on the details of the plan or why a cutoff point of 3,000 square feet was chosen. The Natural Resources Defense Council, one of the most outspoken environmental lobbies active in the climate change debate, had no immediate comment on Dingell's proposal.
But realty and building groups were quick to offer critiques. The senior economist for the National Assn. of Realtors, Lawrence Yun, produced preliminary estimates that terminating mortgage-interest tax deductions for all single-family dwellings larger than 3,000 square feet would result in a national median house price decline of 4% -- on all homes, not just large houses.
Yun estimated that there are at least 10.4 million single-family houses with interior areas of 3,000 square feet or more, and they constitute roughly 15% of the nation's owner-occupied housing stock.
Dingell's plan could also push up foreclosures because every 1% decline in prices leads to an additional 70,000 foreclosures, said Yun, citing industry research. A four-point price drop in a national market already swamped with foreclosures could add an additional 280,000 more to the total.
Linda Goold, the realty association's tax counsel, challenged the Dingell plan on operational grounds. "We strongly support increasing energy efficiency in houses," she said, but basing taxation "on square footage rather than actual energy usage doesn't make sense."
Goold also questioned the enforceability of a tax increase tied to structures' dimensions.
"Who is going to do the measurements?" she asked. "Different people measuring square footage can come up with different numbers. That's why MLS [multiple listing service] listings usually say the square footage is approximate."
Bill Killmer, policy advocate for the National Assn. of Home Builders, called the Dingell plan "wrongheaded" in its focus on house size.
"We believe a much better approach would be to look at consumer behavior -- how efficient are the appliances they've installed, how energy-efficient are the windows, insulation, heating and air conditioning" and other systems, he said.
The interest deduction is one of the biggest tax benefits in the federal budget, according to the congressional Joint Tax Committee. Between fiscal 2006 and 2010, according to a committee study, federal revenue losses attributable to the mortgage-interest deductions are expected to total $402.7 billion.
Other federal studies have documented that the benefits of the write-off are heavily skewed toward higher-income taxpayers who have larger-than-average mortgages.
Over the last two decades, occasional proposals have been made in Congress to rein in the deduction -- say by limiting it to mortgage amounts below $300,000. But the write-off has never been seriously endangered because it is so popular with taxpayers and has fierce support in the banking, real estate and construction industries.
Nonetheless, Killmer said his trade group takes "any proposal from Chairman Dingell very seriously because of his impressive record of legislative accomplishments" spread over 15 terms on Capitol Hill.
"The [environmental] problem he is trying to solve is important -- nobody questions that," Killmer added. "We just don't think this is the right way to go about it."Last edited by Chief Tutor; 08-28-2007 at 09:42 PM. Reason: fixed formatting
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09-02-2007, 08:48 PM #2
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Informative article! Keep sharing.
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09-02-2007, 09:23 PM #3
Thanks!
I will.
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09-07-2007, 09:26 AM #4
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Ludicrous idea
Dingell's 'carbon tax' bill is one of the dumbest and most careless
proposals I have heard of. For one thing, calling anything over 3,000 sq
feet a mansion is absurd.
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09-08-2007, 12:09 PM #5
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Housing is a necessity, homes over 3000 sq/ft are hardly necessary. Someone that can afford a home that size can certainly afford to lose a few tax benefits. It's about time the rich lose a few tax breaks. Historically homes are getting larger and larger on average every year, there is no need for this. There are 2-4 member families with homes over 3000 sq/ft, what is the need for all of that space? Parents and 2 kids need 4 bedrooms?
Ps- I know I'm gonna get flak for this but come on.....I just read a report yesterday saying all polar bears will be dead by 2050 due to global warming. We need to do something to save this planet.Last edited by Rich_in_CT; 09-08-2007 at 12:24 PM.
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09-08-2007, 01:12 PM #6
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I beg to differ.
There are plenty of large families living in 3000 plus sq ft houses and
they have a right to do so. We do need more eco/energy friendly building.
A modern 3500 sq ft house can be much more efficient that a 60's house
of 1800 sq ft Are we going to tell the family of 6 kids with grandparents
living with them they can't have the room they need?
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09-08-2007, 01:22 PM #7
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Well then maybe there should be exceptions for larger families or special cases but in general homes are getting larger even though families are not. Maybe something like allowing a certain number of sq/ft per person would work to set the limits, something like 600 sq/ft per person max (this would be enough to get a family of 5 in a 3000 sq/ft home). There was recently an article in my local paper, in the Sunday real estate section, about homes increasing in size and that many homes were upgrading despite the lack of a need to do so. Every home that is built even though it is more energy freindly in some respects is still using up many resources. Nails and screws are using steel resrources. Framing, trim, doors, hardwood floors, etc use wood. New applicances, electrical fixtures, plumbing, etc use plastic which is created using oil. Wiring, plumbing, etc use copper. The list goes on. Much of this would not be used if a family didn't go and build a new house to upgrade in size when it wasn't needed or if a new home needed to be built due to lack of housing less materials could have been to build a smaller house.
There is also no push right now (tax breaks, etc) that I know of to support the use of renewable resources in building such as bamboo and cork flooring, etc. I definitely am a big fan of incentives for things like buying energy star windows, appliances, etc.
You say what about large families? I get that. What do you think about small families in a huge house? Hell there was an article in my paper showing a couple's home just yesterday, two people in a 3800 sq/ft home.....is that right?
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09-09-2007, 01:53 PM #8
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I understand your position
Hi.
I am not a fan of huge homes myself. But I don't think that is the
problem. We can supply all the energy we need. It is all around us.
Things are starting to change, although too slow to suit me.
We have the technology to do it. Building materials are renewable
and building creates jobs. We need to become more energy independent.
It is a no brainer. We should have an excess of cost effective energy.
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09-13-2007, 07:13 AM #9
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09-13-2007, 10:49 AM #10
Does anyone have the bill ID number. Many times it is best to read the bill first hand instead of what some reporter wrote.
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