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12-18-2011, 07:41 AM #1
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Would you be offended...
if a client asked to be copied on all emails and docs related to the deal?
I am the buyer of a short sale property and we have been working toward bank approval since October. I identified the property, after searching myself for two years and being shown exactly two homes. I offered full listing price. I never asked any agent to contribute or lower their commission. Following all the advice on here, I have really tried to resist my nature to be hands-on and permit the agents do their job. For instance, I never once called my agent to ask "where we are." However, I have done a lot of due diligence.
The bank insisted on a closing in 30 days and I was shown an email from Equator (Bank of America’s short sale system, as you know) and was encouraged by my agent to apply for my mortgage. I said I really wanted to see an approval letter, and this was some computer-generated email that did not even include a closing date. One of the lenders I contacted also told me he had closed thousands of Bank of America short sales (he was a lead underwriter, so I believe him) and even the lender suggested I do NOT pay for an appraisal or lock-in without an approval letter.
My agent informed me that there was no other letter. This was it - "what we're waiting for!" And, he stated that the seller's agent said an approval would come five days before closing. I politely told him that seemed crazy. (The lender had given me many specific examples of letters 45 days in advance) But, after pushing back for three days, with less than 30 days to the verbal closing date, I finally felt pressured to begin my mortgage financing. I requested my agent email to me the fully-amended purchase agreement to add to my electronic application. As I gave it a thorough read, there within the attachment, is a three-page letter titled “Bank of America Short Sale Approval!” outlining the approval to seller and all the usual details. It was dated a full week prior!
This was the endgame and they both missed it? Without trying to place blame, someone I am dealing with is less than competent. Frankly, I am weary of hearing how this is not a normal deal. Short sales are the new normal; Get up to speed.
The house will be “as is,” but we still have some hurdles like de-winterizing, (I included inspection contingencies just to assess major systems and ensure no major unseen damage, although that period has technically now passed). Am I out of line to say I want to be copied on everything from here forward, including all emails and docs? Have your clients done this? How do they ask and how do you respond?
Thanks for reading, Just a stupid buyer
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12-19-2011, 06:04 AM #2
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Short sales are not the new norm because there is nothing normal about short sales. If short sales were normal the seller's lender would not demand a 30 day closing when they themselves can't close a loan in 30 days.
Both agents dropped the ball here and left you in a position where you might not make the closing deadline. Without a closing extension you could spend money on closing and still not get the house.
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12-19-2011, 09:00 AM #3
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new normal
Hi Greg, Thanks for taking the time to reply. If I read between the lines, I am hoping I will not be out of line to be copied on more communications and get directly involved, because that is what I intend to do.
Regarding short sales as the new normal, I agree that 30 day closings are not easy, but whether they are normal is another issue. If you look at the stats from CA association of Realtors, 46.1% of sales in Oct 2011 were distressed, with just over 20% short sales. In some markets I have seen 70% short sales documented. I think this means they are no longer a big exception, thus my point was that I consider them not uncommon for a professional in your industry.
Fortunately, the house does not go to immediate foreclosure. Equator offers the options to request an extension at the five day deadline mark, but there are no guarantees. I have only 25 days notice to close, with the holidays.
Thanks for your truthfulness and letting consumers get input on this forum.
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01-01-2012, 05:07 PM #4
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I have NEVER heard of a short sale without an approval. Sometimes they state it's not a final approval until they approve the closing statement but they have to give notice of when they want the deal to close and the pay off terms for the short sale approval.
Equator emails can't be forwarded outside of the Equator system but the approval letter should have been a pdf attachment.
They should request an extension now, they will most likely get one 2 week extension especially because we had so many bank holidays.
Frankly, the agents don't get paid until this deal happens so they better get on the stick and figure it out! That's what I would do!
Good Luck



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