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07-17-2009, 02:49 PM #1
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Are there options for responsible homeowners currently upside-down?
In Feb. 2007, my wife and I purchased our first home in the Northern Virginia area. We spent some time looking at homes and, at the time, we found a house that had a lot of what we wanted: Sits on a pond, large yard, large garage and an unfinished basement. We were able to pick this property up for $335,000 which, as our Realtor showed, was several tens of thousands below other comps. Since then, we've invested nearly 30K into the property finishing the basement, installing sump pumps and landscaping.
Unfortunately, we've taken a hit on the property with the current economic situation started turning south the months after we purchased and, according to Zillow.com, our home is now valued at $212,000. Just last month, the foreclosed home across the street sold for $145,000. As we sit back idly and watch all these magnificent homes drop in price, we wonder if there is anything we can do to wipe our hands of this mess and pick something up for less. I know it sounds ridiculous but we keep hearing that properties will never go back to their inflated value. That means we'll forever have a loss, and that sucks.
When we bought the home, my wife and I were making around $100,000/yr, pre-tax. Now, we're doing about $125,000/yr, pre-tax. We both had good credit (Both above 740) and were able to secure good interest rates on our loan. Our mortgage (80% 30-Year Fixed) was at 5.875% and our second loan (20% 30-Year Fixed Equity Line) is at 8%. Currently, we're making every payment which amounts to $2200/mo. We also save money and have around $20,000 in the bank. We both have steady jobs and virtually no debt; just the home and a vehicle.
I've contacted Wells Fargo, my mortgage company, and asked what options I had available. They didn't have much for me. They had a HARP that would let me refinance the 80% Mortgage to a rate 1/2 percent lower, but in doing so, we would pay over $8000 in fees. That reduction would only give us a $120 savings per month, so that's not ideal. I asked about principal reduction and the gentleman laughed, saying I signed into this deal. Well, this is true - I did. I'm also paying them interest on a property that will most likely never be as much.
I've seen stories on line and heard on the radio about law firms going to court to represent the client to force a principal reduction. Interested, I called one of these groups and they wanted $5000 upfront and couldn't guarantee that anything happens. The man with the law firm said, "We won't take the case if we know we can't get something." Still, something isn't necessarily a principal reduction. They might negotiate the same 1/2% on the mortgage I considered with Wells Fargo.
My wife and I have entertained the idea of just holding onto this property and buying a second home. Gorgeous homes in the area, much larger and nicer than the one we're in, are selling for $80,000 less than what we paid. If we could buy one of those homes and then rent this property, and pay both the new mortgage and the difference on this one, then we might have a way to come out on top since the nice home will likely gain some equity. I've heard so many horror stories with tenants skipping out or destroying the rental property, so I'm not sure is the risk is worth the potential gains.
Lastly, I've seen signs talking about Short Sales. I haven't investigated that option yet and perhaps I could've before I posted this novel.
I guess I'm here because I feel stuck, lost and stupid. I've tried to live the American Dream but everywhere I look, those who bought more home than they could afford are being rewarded by having their home values adjusted. I want to keep my high credit rating, but I feel that I have no way to take advantage of this situation and, because of my savings and income, no one will work with me since I can afford it. My goal is to get a return on my investment, but I'm not sure how I can do that. If anyone has any ideas, suggestions or advice, please drop it here. I'd love to see and tips or tricks you may all have up your sleeves, should such tricks exist.
Thanks in advance.
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07-18-2009, 06:40 AM #2
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Stop looking at that half empty glass. You have a house that you love and can afford so stop looking at the value. My house is worth less but I would not even think of moving.
My house is my home. It is not some investment that I made.
Real estate values will come back and your home will be worth more than you paid for it. These recessions happen every 10-15 years and prices fall and then go up higher than anyone ever guessed they would.
When your house is worth more will you simply sell it because it is worth more? If not, then why do you want to sell it just because it is now worth less?
Short sales are only for those who can not afford to make the payments so you would not qualify. Plus it trashes your credit score so you would have to rent.Your Outer Banks real estate agent. Learn how to buy Outer Banks foreclosures.
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07-27-2009, 09:56 AM #3
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I wouldn't take Zillow as the end all be all of values, get several opinions of value before deciding just how far in the tank you think are. A good agent could also tell you whether or not your market is two tiered (REO Values and Owner Occupied values the same or different). Another house could have sold for much less but how much was wrong with hit AND was that sale a Sheriff Sale? Sheriff Sales are not considered typical market sales, have several limitations, and should not be used in justifying value.
Lastly, if your value is deemed lower than what you paid for and have put in don't blame Wells Fargo. I'm aware that it appears some are getting off easy, that is life. It isn't always fair. You have a home, cars, a virtually no debt besides them which is much more than many can say. There is also a value not measurable in monetary terms that you should consider in having a place to call home. That truly is priceless.
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07-27-2009, 11:39 PM #4
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Rent it
You already hit on the best option. If you can rent it and cover most of your payment, you can depreciate the property and take a tax loss. You should check with an accountant, but I believe you would depreciate based on the price you paid for it.
You depreciate real property over 27.5 years. That means that every year you can take a deduction for roughly 3.6% of the value of the property (remember - you don't depreciate land, so deduct the value of the land from the purchase price)
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02-17-2011, 12:40 AM #5
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You have already the best option. For me, I am now contented to what I have. Having an owned house is the best option that we have.
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02-17-2011, 02:28 AM #6
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The thing that you did not mention here is why you need to sell the house. Is it because you are planning to move away, change your jobs? If you have no immediate need to move out, I suggest you stay put for now. You can get another loan for an upside-down mortgage however, it will be a killer when it comes to the interest rates and your credit score might take a massive hit.
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02-17-2011, 11:16 AM #7
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If you have the ability to pay, you don't even want to think short sale. If you like the home, stay in it. As you keep paying the mortgage, it will go down (unlike renting), and you will eventually get to a positive equity point. If you would like to buy another home, then rent yours out. With your income and reserves, it should not be a problem at all!
Landon
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02-20-2011, 09:30 PM #8
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