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    jayno is offline Renter
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    Hello all,

    I am a 1st time buyer who has been pre-approved for an FHA loan. I recently went with my real estate agent to see some homes and 1 of them was a bank owned foreclosure at a great price. The listing agent for the bank is saying the well is not working (but does not know why) and not sure if the house was winterized. Upon hearing this my mortgage broker said the bank(mine) would not approve a loan in those circumstances and my agent has discouraged me from persuing it any further. If this house wasnt worth it I would not think twice about it. A couple of things dont seem right to me.

    1st, doesnt the bank who takes ownership of these homes do any kind of inspection at some point and what purpose does it serve them to not winterize a house and cause further damage thus reducing the price. I find it suspicious that the listing agent knows the well doesnt work but not why but then doesnt know at all if the house is winterized. Is there any way to contact the owning bank directly?

    2nd Is there not some way to have a home inspected after making the offer? I dont understand why my mortgage guy was so quick to say no. I couldnt even make an offer on it, he said. Also, this house is being sold for $60,000 less than what is appraised for. Its an amazing investmant even if I bought the house and never lived in it. That appraisal is not from before the bubble burst. The last time the house sold it was double the current asking price.

    Bottom line this house is too great to not try something. I am new to the game and I dont want to miss out because I didnt t know this or that could have been done.

    Any input is greatly appreciated!

    Thanks

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    Jayno,

    It is my understanding since you are financing with FHA the home you purchase needs to be habitable "as-is." With the well not working in FHA's eyes the home would not be habitable. Ask your lender if an FHA 203k would work in this case?

    I know as a buyer you can become very frustrated and often ask why wouldn't the bank......Banks are not in the business of owning real estate, they don't know the first thing about it. All properties are sold as-is, where is and they can't disclose much about the property because they have never lived there.

    Always make the purchase contingent on an inspection.

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    Thanks for your suggestion. I ran it buy my mortgage guy and he said he doesn't deal with that particular type of FHA loan and that a lot of places are shying away from the 203K(is that true?). I think I am going to find someone who does. In the meantime I found a guy who does plumbing and wells so I am going to bring him up to the house to check it out.

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    Try the 203k loan. You might be able to borrow the money needed to fix the well and broken pipes. Definitely get a home inspection.

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    I would be surprised if the home wasn't winterized... Typically that is the first thing they do when they take ownership of a property.

    You can always do the inspection. The bank won't fix anything but atlteast you see what you have before you close on the house. And if major issues are found, you can walk with the right provisions in your contract. In the end, you would have only sacraficed your time and some money for the inspection.
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    Default Have the inspection yet?

    I am interested in what the inspector says about the well. With the huge amount of homes out there why go through the headache of fixing the well. I am sure there are other deals out there without the well problem.

    Banks don't want to disclose anything. They want you to sign off rights to being informed of defects etc. Plus if they never lived there most of the defects they would not even know about anyways.
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    On the last 2 FHA 203b loans I closed on bank owned homes the bank repaired items prior to closing. Those items included: Tearing off a roof and replacing it, scrapping and repainting an entire garage, and replacing drywall and ceilings in 2 rooms of a home.

    With that being said it is possible that a bank will consider making this repair prior to closing. It is a rarely accepted request though.

    FHA 203b financing requires an appraiser to inspect the home and additional problems may exist. Nearly all issues must be repaired and re-inspected before closing. The 2 transaction I described above were a very lengthy and unpleasant experience with an amazing result. The price of the home was not adjusted on either which left both buyers with upgrades to the home that they did not pay for.

    Your best bet is FHA 203k or 203k Streamline depending of the amount of repairs required. Both loans will allow you to upgrade and customize the home. Streamline is easier and less expensive because no consultant is required.

    However. 203k is hard to find and a higher cost (rate .50-1.00% higher).

    Another option almost no one is aware of is a USDA loan. This loan actually allows a buyer to make repairs to the home after closing using up to the full appraised value (not purchase price). It has no mortgage insurance. It is 102% financing (2% funding fee) It does have income and geographical restrictions.
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    Hello there Jayno!nice information you got there,but I'm kinda curious about it,foreclosure is getting higher and higher now,hope you're not having a hard time about this.

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    Thanks for all the helpful information. I applied for a 203k loan today so we'll see what happens.

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    Is this a Fannie Mae REO?

    There is a new program being released that only requires a 3% down payment, no PMI, 6% seller concessions, and also 1 more allowing renovations.

    Fannie Mae is finally trying to get the bank inventory sold with this program.
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